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Subject: RE: Cutting or copying from smartsets Was: TME10 - Clutter ed M ap
From: "Leslie Clark" <lclark@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:58:53 -0400
Clarification, guys. You use the Smartset of Location icons for finding
the location icon easily, especially in cases where you have many layers
of nested locations. You open the location submap, and FROM THAT MENU
you select Edit..Paste, so you are pasting into that submap. Now the
other direction works the same way. If you have a Smartset of Routers,
you can go into the Router Smartset and select the entire contents.
This gets them Selected. Then you can go back to your IP Internet
submap, where only some small subset of those devices remain,
and from the menu ON THAT SUBMAP, pick Edit...Cut...From This Submap.
Only the things which are both Selected and On That Submap will be cut.
Now you can open a location submap (no one cares how you found that
submap) and if you use the Edit...Paste menu selection on THAT submap,
they are pasted there. Got it? And of course no talking between the
cut and the paste. If you end up with floaters, it means you screwed up.
Recover by deleting the floating symbols (from this submap is good
enough) and close the map and ovtopofix.


Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking

"Davis, Donald" <donald.davis@firstcitizens.com>@tkg.com on 06/14/2001
04:31:23 PM

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Subject:  RE: [NV-L] Cutting or copying from smartsets Was: TME10 - Clutter
      ed M ap

Commandment Number 11  :  Thou Shall Not CUT/PASTE to/from  a smartset. !!!
Doing  this can cause an "UNRECOVERABLE DATABASE ERROR"
If you  want something in or out of a smartset, you have to modify the
smartset  definition.

Don  Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: Cowan, Chris  [mailto:Chris.Cowan@2ndwaveinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001  3:32 PM
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Subject: [NV-L]  Cutting or copying from smartsets Was: TME10 - Cluttered M

There must be some disturbance in the force, because myself  and a coworker
were just banging our heads on this very problem, when we saw  the posts.

Just a few caveats, the present 6.0.2 location.conf is  restricted to 1000
entries.   There is an efix available, and  according to the support the
scheme will change again with NV 7.x.

Now my question.

Our location mapping is not just based on IP  address.   We were however,
able to obtain a database listing that  allowed use to assign extra fields
using nvdbimport, to our objects for  book-keeping.

I can build a smart set based on the the new fields.   However, I'm worried
about cutting (actually copying) and pasting from a smart  set back into
the IP maps.   Is this a good idea.

In the past, I remember some caveats about copying vs. cutting  and losing
status reporting.

Any advice or recommendations would be appreciated.

Chris Cowan

-----Original Message-----
From:  Allison, Jason (JALLISON)
To: 'IBM NetView  Discussion'
Sent: 6/14/01 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: [NV-L] TME10 - Cluttered Map


Thanks for the response, this sounds like the direction I want  to go.  I
sure I will  have plenty of questions, but you have given me the directed
push I needed.

More to come,

-----Original Message-----
From:  Leslie Clark [mailto:lclark@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:17 PM
To: IBM  NetView Discussion
Subject: Re: [NV-L] TME10 -  Cluttered Map

Some of us really enjoy the cutting and pasting. You get  faster after
the first few rounds. And if this is a  one - or - two map shop, it
is not a big deal. Or is there more to it than that? Many operators  with
their own customized maps? You might have some  work then.

Cluttered is 3000 routers in a big black ball. What you have  is
your basic messy map. Here's what I would do ( one  day's work):
First, remember all you really have to  deal with are routers and
networks. Everything else is  below the subnet level, so you don't
have to arrange  them (unless you have some wierd stuff).
- Make a  location.conf file with ONLY placeholder (0) networks in it.
- Define all of your locations, and the nested sublocations under  them.
- Do 'File...New Map'. There is no discovery  involved, just a new map
that has all of those icons  predefined. At this point you can remove
or rename  that location.conf file, allowing you to change your mind,
delete icons, etc,
- Then make a SmartSet  (Collection) where isLocation is true.
- Open another  window of those, sorted by label, so you can
get at  them easily.
- While on the IP Internet submap, cut  (from THIS submap) and paste into
the locations,  disregarding the heirarchy. This works, believe me.
-  Make good use of the Locate function to get things highlighted, making
them easier to spot. Try also View..Highlights...Select  Highlights.

Once the new map (eg TEST1) is in good shape, you can delete  the
default map and use 'File..Save Map As' to replace  the default. Then
open the default and delete the test  map, so you are back to one map.

This is not hard. Finding a good layout is harder. If you  are
looking for advice on that, ask again. I have  opinions on that, too.


Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services -  Systems Mgmt & Networking

"Les Dickert" <lesdickert@HOTMAIL.COM>@tkg.com on  06/13/2001 09:30:00 PM

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Well, the location.conf file is the way
to do, but you will have to be at at least
Version 6.0 to do it, and while you're at
it,  you may as well go all the way to
6.0.2.  If you  have a support contract
the upgrade is free for the  asking from
your account rep.

You say no major design changes (such as
an upgrade to 6.0.2) will be welcomed, but
in  the same breath you say you're going to
keep it  running for 2 years.  If that's the
case (keeping  it running for 2 years), it
is well worth the effort  to:

1.  Upgrade to 6.0.2
2.   Create a new seedfile and location.conf
3.  Wipe  out your database and let NetView
     re-discover the entire network.

You will really like the appearance of your map
with the locations on it, and a little bit of
manual moving around of things will make it
beautiful (this is the voice of experience speaking).

You'll probably get a standing ovation as did I.

Les Dickert
Verisign Consulting

>From: "Allison, Jason (JALLISON)"  <JALLISON@arinc.com>
>Reply-To: IBM NetView  Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
>To:  "'nv-l@tkg.com'" <nv-l@tkg.com>
>Subject:  [NV-L] TME10 - Cluttered Map
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun  2001 17:07:13 -0400
>My  new task is "reducing the number icons in the Netview Map."  I
>are running Netview 5.1.3, I am new to this project (and  company).  My
>background is in using Netviews  robust API to integrate SNMP Management
>real-time systems, i.e. most of  this front-end desktop work is new to
>Background -
>Our displays have ~400 subnets (quite cluttered) which  include many end
>stations per subnet.  As a  note, this is a VERY stable base-lined cash
>product that is being phased out over the next 2 years,  no major design
>changes will be greeted  nicely.  I have been searching the archived
>and have come across two possible  solutions.  I wanted to discuss these
>the list to see what I am missing  as well as determine "best practice"
>1.  (Easiest, most  operator work) - Manually creating multiple
>some sort of hierarchical approach to "tree" all of the end  systems.
>cutting and  pasting objects in and out of the old to new containers.
>work we have proven this is a workable  solution.  Coming from a
>background, I don't believe this is the best  solution.  It does not
>and once this paradigm is set, re-design or re-work is  exponentially
>Also, this solution has more potential for operator error.
>2.  Create a  location.conf file of the desirable map layout.  I am not
>if this is even  possible.  From what I have read, one needs to have
>map all set up, then create a  location.conf file from their database,
>can be used for restoring the map, etc.  With that  said, it seems to me
>it could be generated, am I wrong?  What is the best approach  for this?
>3. ??   What are your thoughts?  Have any of you worked though this
>Thanks for the help,
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