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Subject: Re: How to find NetView version
From: "Bill Evans" <wvevans@nc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:36:17 -0400
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Todd H. wrote:

> Hrmmm.  Suppose your NetView server is not a managed node.  :-(  What then? 
> 
> BTW--I'd be curious on the pros and cons of having NetView being a managed 
> node. 
 
The first argument for NetView residing on a Managed Node is that there is no 
other option unless you are one of those few who understand the product well 
enough to install it without the support present on a Tivoli Managed Node.  You 
MUST install NetView for Unix on a Managed Mode or know how to hack the NetView 
image from the distribution media and THAT requires a TMN.   NetView for Unix's 
only installation alternative was through the Tivoli Desktop "Create" function 
on Version 5.x and is through the "Product Install" on 6.0. (Or their command 
line equivalents.)   
      
This is true of all the other Tivoli applications which exist in the Framework 
environment. (I happen to consider the Tivoli Management Region Server as one 
of the applications and the TNM as really an Application Support Facility but 
that's another topic.)  

There is one exception I know of; NetView for NT.  It uses InstallShield.  I 
don't know for sure about Tru64 NetView since I haven't worked with it but I 
believe it's just another species of NV for Unix.    

Once you're installed you need not activate the TMN dispatcher but there's a 
lot of value to installing a Tivoli Management Agent on the box and using the 
Tivoli family of management services.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Warning; lots of opinion follows from an old hand whose been working with 
NetView in all its flavors since 1975.  I retired from the IBM SystemView 
Technical Staff and became a consultant two years before IBM acquired Tivoli 
Systems and handed them the SystemView personnel and product line to manage and 
market.  Yes, the NetView family has been around that long although the 
"NetView" trademark wasn't coined until ten years later and the NetView for AIX 
product released until five years after that.   

PROS and CONS

The CON side is easy; there isn't much required interaction today except 
installation.  NetView for Solaris originally required the Tivoli Desktop to do 
what is now available through ServerSetup.  Prior to Tivoli and the Solaris 
support  NetView for AIX used SMIT. I'm not sure what Polycenter NetView for 
the Tru64 used.  

The PRO side has a couple parts.  

Useful pieces of the Framework applications are optional; the interfaces to 
Inventory, management of user accounts by UA, secure authentication for TEC 
integration, use of the Scheduler for backups, use of RIM for storing data in 
RDBMSs and all the other things the CORBA base brings.    

The second piece of the action is the future prospects of tighter integration 
of the NetView and Framework desktops.  The Web Client ("rumored" to be even 
more improved in NV 7.1), the Tivoli Business Systems Management/NetView 390 
desktop and the direction of the future desktop for the Tivoli Framework 
products are all in the same Java based technology.  I anticipate developments 
in this area (and I'm aching to see 7.1 changes).  We may see the end of the 
X-windows based, memory intensive consoles someday.  Unix and Windows client 
machines will be able to use Unix, Windows and Mainframe servers without 
special middle-ware like Hummingbird Exceed.  Today Unix includes AIX, Solaris 
and Tru64; in the future it should include HPUX and any other flavor supporting 
Java for the client and Linux at least for the client and maybe for the server. 
 (All this is already present or  tea leaves; the developers haven't shared 
inside information with me recently.)       

I'm also one of the few who characterize NetView as primarily the SNMP front 
end to the Tivoli Management Environment.  It works with TEC as a partner to 
Distributed Monitoring as the CORBA front end.  MIB data collection and DM data 
collection are companion functions as well.  It is also the SNMP front end to 
Inventory and could be the SNMP front end to User Administration and Software 
Distribution with a little work.  UA needs a method using SNMPSET with the 
super-user community string to modify the router settings but SD just needs to 
be told where to find the source image and where to store that image for TFTP.  
 Just imagine distributing Cisco IOS images to TFTP repositories with Tivoli SD 
and scheduling changes for Cisco operator permissions using UA and the 
Scheduler.  (First we need secure SNMP widely available.)   

NetView's MIB Data Collection will gather information and use the Tivoli RDBMS 
Interface Manager to feed it to a relational data base for  Tivoli Decision 
Support (or Concord Network Health) to use for statistical analysis and 
proactive decision making.  Eg. RouterX is trending toward saturation on three 
links and nearing it's CPU capacity so we need a larger box or another box to 
share the load.   

With the Tivoli NetView for OS/390 Multi Systems Manager you can feed the 
Tivoli Business Systems Management data base from both NetView for Unix and the 
TME.   This consolidates your entire enterprise on a single topology server and 
Java based set of operator consoles.  Once we have a Java desktop for the TME 
we'll be complete.  

I see the topology maps and MIB Browser as diagnostic tools and not primarily 
for monitoring.  No sane person watches the screen for something to turn red so 
they can spring into action; if they do they aren't going to be sane for long.  
TEC automation allows the automatic opening of a trouble ticket and dispatch of 
the appropriate assigned specialist according to the duty roster and preferred 
method (e-mail or pop-up).    

Enough?  We can take this offline if you (or anyone else) want more punishment. 
 My employer will be happy to rent me out for user groups, weddings or Bar 
Mitzvahs as well as NetView implementations.  I hope it addresses your 
concerns.  

Bill Evans  --  Consultant in Enterprise Systems Management
reply-to: wvevans@prodigy.net  
 

    
Todd H. wrote:
 
> Hrmmm.  Suppose your NetView server is not a managed node.  :-(  What then?
>
> BTW--I'd be curious on the pros and cons of having NetView being a managed node. 
The first argument for NetView residing on a Managed Node is that there is no other option unless you are one of those few who understand the product well enough to install it without the support present on a Tivoli Managed Node.  You MUST install NetView for Unix on a Managed Mode or know how to hack the NetView image from the distribution media and THAT requires a TMN.   NetView for Unix's only installation alternative was through the Tivoli Desktop "Create" function on Version 5.x and is through the "Product Install" on 6.0. (Or their command line equivalents.)   
      
This is true of all the other Tivoli applications which exist in the Framework environment. (I happen to consider the Tivoli Management Region Server as one of the applications and the TNM as really an Application Support Facility but that's another topic.) 
 
There is one exception I know of; NetView for NT.  It uses InstallShield.  I don't know for sure about Tru64 NetView since I haven't worked with it but I believe it's just another species of NV for Unix.    
 
Once you're installed you need not activate the TMN dispatcher but there's a lot of value to installing a Tivoli Management Agent on the box and using the Tivoli family of management services.
Warning; lots of opinion follows from an old hand whose been working with NetView in all its flavors since 1975.  I retired from the IBM SystemView Technical Staff and became a consultant two years before IBM acquired Tivoli Systems and handed them the SystemView personnel and product line to manage and market.  Yes, the NetView family has been around that long although the "NetView" trademark wasn't coined until ten years later and the NetView for AIX product released until five years after that.   
 
PROS and CONS
 
The CON side is easy; there isn't much required interaction today except installation.  NetView for Solaris originally required the Tivoli Desktop to do what is now available through ServerSetup.  Prior to Tivoli and the Solaris support  NetView for AIX used SMIT. I'm not sure what Polycenter NetView for the Tru64 used. 
 
The PRO side has a couple parts. 
 
Useful pieces of the Framework applications are optional; the interfaces to Inventory, management of user accounts by UA, secure authentication for TEC integration, use of the Scheduler for backups, use of RIM for storing data in RDBMSs and all the other things the CORBA base brings.    
 
The second piece of the action is the future prospects of tighter integration of the NetView and Framework desktops.  The Web Client ("rumored" to be even more improved in NV 7.1), the Tivoli Business Systems Management/NetView 390 desktop and the direction of the future desktop for the Tivoli Framework products are all in the same Java based technology.  I anticipate developments in this area (and I'm aching to see 7.1 changes).  We may see the end of the X-windows based, memory intensive consoles someday.  Unix and Windows client machines will be able to use Unix, Windows and Mainframe servers without special middle-ware like Hummingbird Exceed.  Today Unix includes AIX, Solaris and Tru64; in the future it should include HPUX and any other flavor supporting Java for the client and Linux at least for the client and maybe for the server.  (All this is already present or  tea leaves; the developers haven't shared inside information with me recently.)      
 
I'm also one of the few who characterize NetView as primarily the SNMP front end to the Tivoli Management Environment.  It works with TEC as a partner to Distributed Monitoring as the CORBA front end.  MIB data collection and DM data collection are companion functions as well.  It is also the SNMP front end to Inventory and could be the SNMP front end to User Administration and Software Distribution with a little work.  UA needs a method using SNMPSET with the super-user community string to modify the router settings but SD just needs to be told where to find the source image and where to store that image for TFTP.   Just imagine distributing Cisco IOS images to TFTP repositories with Tivoli SD and scheduling changes for Cisco operator permissions using UA and the Scheduler.  (First we need secure SNMP widely available.)   
 
NetView's MIB Data Collection will gather information and use the Tivoli RDBMS Interface Manager to feed it to a relational data base for  Tivoli Decision Support (or Concord Network Health) to use for statistical analysis and proactive decision making.  Eg. RouterX is trending toward saturation on three links and nearing it's CPU capacity so we need a larger box or another box to share the load.   
 
With the Tivoli NetView for OS/390 Multi Systems Manager you can feed the Tivoli Business Systems Management data base from both NetView for Unix and the TME.   This consolidates your entire enterprise on a single topology server and Java based set of operator consoles.  Once we have a Java desktop for the TME we'll be complete. 
 
I see the topology maps and MIB Browser as diagnostic tools and not primarily for monitoring.  No sane person watches the screen for something to turn red so they can spring into action; if they do they aren't going to be sane for long.  TEC automation allows the automatic opening of a trouble ticket and dispatch of the appropriate assigned specialist according to the duty roster and preferred method (e-mail or pop-up).    
 
Enough?  We can take this offline if you (or anyone else) want more punishment.  My employer will be happy to rent me out for user groups, weddings or Bar Mitzvahs as well as NetView implementations.  I hope it addresses your concerns. 
 
Bill Evans  --  Consultant in Enterprise Systems Management
reply-to: wvevans@prodigy.net  
 
   




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