I only meant what it says in the Admin Guide in the instructions and
restrictions
on customizing the graphical map, table 11: Node Submap: No symbols should
be moved to or from a Node submap. The collection facility is another
matter, of
course. And when you move a node, the interfaces go with it. That's fine. I
was just
a little suspicious of some of the lines in Willem's description of his
map,
Root Map | -> IP Internet Map | -> Auckland Location Container | ->
Various Stack Location Containers | -> Branch Router Icons | ->
Loopback Network Icon and Interface Icons
There is not a good legal way to get a network icon and in interface icon
in the same
submap; but on rereading, I suspect that he means that lowest location icon
contains the
router plus the networks for all of the interfaces including the loopback
interface.
Oh, never mind...
Cordially,
Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
Willem,
I would have to agree with Leslie on this one. We based our containers
(submaps) by location through the IP Internet Map. When I tried to creat a
new submap at the root level, when devices changed on the IP Map, they did
not change on the root level map. Also if I tried to copy and paste the
objects from the IP map, the connections did not follow with the object.
Having everything located within the IP map has made the management so much
easier.
Now I have a question for Leslie, what exactly did you mean by "not be
doing
any cutting and pasting of interface icons"? Did you mean that we should
not be moving objects around into submaps (containers) by doing this?
Scott Hammons
McBride and Associates, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Clark [mailto:lclark@US.IBM.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:10 PM
To: NV-L@UCSBVM.ucsb.edu
Subject: Re: Hierarchy of submaps
Willem, I would have to say that your service provider is mistaken. You
are supposed to subdivide the IP Internet submap into location icons. I
can't
say for sure that you are doing everything perfectly (you should not be
doing
any cutting and pasting of interface icons, really) but you have the
general
idea correctly. I have never heard the other opinion expressed before, and
I wonder where it came from.
Cordially,
Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
Leslie
I would appreciate if you could adivse me on the "correct-ness" of the
following.
Your Email appears to vindicate the manner in which the maps have been
built on our NMS however the is a little ambigious and my service provide
drew a completely
contrary from conclusion it. He is of the opinion that
the location maps should not be based of the IP Internet view and that the
IP Internet view should have a unchanged flat picture of the network.
The way we have the maps set up at the moment is as follows (not the entire
topology):
Root Map | -> IP Internet Map | -> Core Router Icons
Root Map | -> IP Internet Map | -> Wellington Location Container
| -> Wellington Distribution Router Icons
Root Map | -> IP Internet Map | -> Wellington Location Container
| -> Various Stack Location Containers | -> Branch Router Icons | ->
Loopback Network Icon and Interface Icons
Root Map | -> IP Internet Map | -> Auckland Location Container | ->
Auckland Distribution Router Icons
Root Map | -> IP Internet Map | -> Auckland Location Container | ->
Various Stack Location Containers | -> Branch Router Icons | ->
Loopback Network Icon and Interface Icons
What are your thoughts on this?
Regards,
-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Clark [mailto:lclark@US.IBM.COM]
Sent: Friday, 12 November 1999 01:20
To: NV-L@UCSBVM.ucsb.edu
Subject: Re: Hierarchy of submaps
There might be some misunderstanding here. This is covered in the
Admin guide in the chapter on customizing your map.
The Root submap, where you see the IP Internet icon, is not yours to
mess with unless you are writing software. Applications may have their
top icon there. Netview's ipmap application puts the IP Internet icon
there, for example. You would most likely be working within that topology.
Unless, of course, you are writing an application. Also on the Root
submap is the icon for the Collections facility (called Smartsets on NT).
It is managed by another application. Installing other products may add
things to the Root submap as well.
The IP Internet submap (ipmap application) has strict rules about its own
submap heirarchy, and these are detailed in the Admin Guide. You need to
understand these rules if you intend to cut and paste the map, which most
folks do. If you break the rules, then the ipmap application may not be
able to correctly maintain the status of the nodes in the map. It may look
like it is working for a while, but you will likely end up with a corrupt
database. So backups are important.
There are several menu functions on Netview for doing things like
adding submaps, or copying things, but these are not intended for
basic customization of the network topology, they are really for
application developers. The usual customization of the IP Internet
topology is done with the addition of Location icons on the IP Internet
level submap, and cutting and pasting groups of routers and networks
(from THIS submap) into the locations. I won't explain it here because
it is important that you see the detailed rules in the Admin Guide.
I'm having trouble reconciling this with what you have been told.
Adding a Location Icon on the IP Internet level does create a submap.
Cordially,
Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
Fellow Netviewers
I have been advised by my netview service provider:
" that the IP Internet view should not have submaps but rather should
be a flat topology map and the heirarchical views should be based off the
root map. not doing so causes netview (5.1.1 under solaris 2.6) to be
instable"
I would appreciate your experienced views on this matter.
Kind regards.
Willem Bos
Professional Services Manager
Logical Networks Limited
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