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Re: RES: ENC: [nv-l] How to configure alternate lay-out schema of a L oc

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Subject: Re: RES: ENC: [nv-l] How to configure alternate lay-out schema of a L ocati on Sub-map
From: "Leslie Clark" <lclark@us.ibm.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:30:55 -0500
I've done a lot of maps for customers with large numbers of branch
locations. And I think it is extremely important to show the connections
between the sites, and most importantly, the connections from the sites
back to the home office. This is an art, and is a bit different for each
customer, but some general rules apply.

Keep the core stuff together in one location submap, or loose on the top
map. Make high-level division for the rest based on the grouping that
Netview discovers - that is, put big fans and their connecting network,
into mid-level locations. Try to end up with less than a dozen location
icons on the top map. If the core stuff is complex, put it in an HQ
location.
By following the natural clustering of the networks you increase the odds
that the extent of outages will be clearly reflected by color changes.

Make further divisions within those regional divisions.  If you only have
one router at a remote site, consider giving the router a meaningful name
and skip making a location icon for it. These sites may be connected, if
there is anetwork between them within the submap, or disconnected, if the
connecting network is at a higher level.

Now construct a location.conf file that reflects your chosen heirarchy
using address ranges. You probably have a spreadsheet that shows
subnet assignments to site. Use it.

For submaps with a big circle of  unconnected objects, you can get them
to line up in rows this way:
 - turn off automatic layout (for THIS submap!)
- select them all
- Edit.. Hide (from THIS submap)
- Edit Show Hidden (for THIS submap)
They will reappear in the New Object Holding Area. Select a bunch of
them and group-move them across the line. They will be nice and straight,
and you can arrange them in rows so they will be bigger.

Make a Smartset of Locations (isLocation is TRUE) to make it easier
to find things, and also simplify the cutting and pasting. If you are
working with an initial location.conf file and want to make more changes,
take the location.conf file out of production and close/open the map
so you are not fighting it. Then update the location.conf and do
File...New Map. Once you ar done developing this, I suggest rediscovery.

Avoid using blanks and commas in the names of your locations.

Remember that Netview is a discovery tool, not a drawing too.

Cordially,

Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
Detroit


                                                                                
                                              
                      James                                                     
                                              
                      Shanks/Raleigh/IB        To:       Marcos Antonio 
Pezzutti Filho <pezzutti@banespa.com.br>              
                      M@IBMUS                  cc:       nv-l@lists.tivoli.com  
                                              
                                               Subject:  Re: RES: ENC: [nv-l] 
How to configure alternate lay-out schema of a  
                      11/05/2002 11:16          L  ocati       on Sub-map       
                                              
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You still don't quite get what I am saying here.
There is no way in current code for you to change the layout algorithm in
a submap.  That simply isn't an option.
Even if development accepted it today as "must do in the next release"
enhancement request, it would be many months before you got any code which
would do what you want.
So what can you do?  The only answer I can see is for you to figure out a
manageable hierarchy of locations,  and set that up with location.conf so
that it is automatically populated on discovery.  There must be some way
to subdivide these 600 so that they make sense.

James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group




Marcos Antonio Pezzutti Filho <pezzutti@banespa.com.br>
11/05/2002 04:06 PM


        To:     James Shanks/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
        cc:
        Subject:        RES: ENC: [nv-l] How to configure alternate lay-out
schema of a L ocati on
Sub-map



Cause we have 600 branchs and we´d like to see the connections between
them.
And even though dividing in groups of 100 elements, the resultant circle
is
gonna be large enough.

-----Mensagem original-----
De: James Shanks [mailto:jshanks@us.ibm.com]
Enviada em: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:48
Para: nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
Assunto: Re: ENC: [nv-l] How to configure alternate lay-out schema of a
Locati on Sub-map


Why have 600 locations within a single parent location?
Why not try to subdivide this further with other levels in between? It
would
a lot more manageable with 6 major locations under that one
parent, each holding a hundred site2 locations than what you have. You can
work on the location.conf file and  create new maps until you get
it right.

James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group




Marcos Antonio Pezzutti Filho <pezzutti@banespa.com.br> 11/05/2002 03:21
PM


        To:     "NV-L (nv-l@lists.tivoli.com)" <nv-l@lists.tivoli.com>
        cc:
        Subject:        ENC: [nv-l] How to configure alternate lay-out
schema of a Locati       on
Sub-map



Hi,

Our problem consists in put a large number of site2 locations in another
location hierarchically superior. When we choose the existents ones, all
these site2 locations spread all
over
the submap forming a very large circle (It´s very difficult to manage this
kind of thing). If we disable the automatic lay-out, the work is too hard
to
organize these icons (there are about 600 site2 locations). And with this
procedure we disale the sort funtionality too.

Thanks.

-----Mensagem original-----
De: Leslie Clark [mailto:lclark@us.ibm.com]
Enviada em: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:09
Para: Marcos Antonio Pezzutti Filho
Assunto: Re: [nv-l] How to configure alternate lay-out schema of a
Location
Sub-map



That option is only available to the program that creates the submap in
question. If you were creating them programmatically, using the APIs, you
could do it. But the Locationsubmaps you make using the dialog are made by
ipmap, and ipmap has strict rules. The row-column layout is only used in
special cases, like node submaps. The function is not intended for your
purposes.

Tell us the problem you are trying to solve, and we can probably come up
with an althernate approach.

Cordially,

Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
Detroit





                      Marcos Antonio

                      Pezzutti Filho           To:       "NV-L
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                      .com.br>                 Subject:  [nv-l] How to
configure alternate lay-out schema of a Location
                                                Sub-map

                      11/04/2002 01:24

                      PM








Hi,


Netview 7.1.2
AIX. 4.3.3 ML10





We´d like to know how to configure na alternate lay-out schema to a
location
sub-map. Originaly the location lay-out schema is point-to-point and we
want
column X  row.


Thanks in advance


Marcos Antonio Pezzutti Filho
       É Fone: 3837-1339     Ê Fax:  3837-1350
Newtrend - Tendências Tecnológicas Serv  Inf.e Telecom Ltda.





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