I am sorry to hear that you are having so much trouble, but let's see if we
cannot better determine where the problem lies.
Is it that the objects are not being removed when they should be or that they
are being immediately re-discovered? Why not perform an experiment to check?
Make sure you stop netmon so that he does not re-discover anything when you are
trying to delete it.
Select one of you objects from the map and right-click it to bring up the
context menu and then display what object it is.
Jot that down for later. Take note of how many maps it is in too. Then
delete it.
Then use ovobjprint to see if it is still in the object database and ovtopodump
to see if it is still in topology. Do the same thing after you run ovtopofix.
An object which is not in topology cannot be put on the map by ipmap at
synchronization time.
So you should be able to tell before you restart the map, whether your objects
have been deleted. Note that they will not be if they have fields in them that
have been set by other applications, like Ciscoworks. But Support can help
you get rid of those if that is the problem.
If the objects are truly gone when everything is restarted, and they come back,
then that usually means that (1) those addresses really do exist in your
network, and the (2) the method you are using to exclude them from netmon
discovery isn't working. It could also mean that some node or other is giving
netmon some very bad SNMP responses, but these have to be looked at as
individual cases.
I don't want to offend anyone, but this isn't rocket science or voodoo. But it
may take patience to solve.
And Support can help, so give them a call. At the worst they ask you to send
them your databases so they an determine what, if anything, is wrong, or if you
need new maintenance on the utilities or netmon itself. There is no utility
that is smart enough to figure out what is wrong with the configuration and fix
it. That is why you need people to help.
James Shanks
Tivoli (NetView for UNIX) L3 Support
Schiffinger Ralph 2100 <Ralph.Schiffinger@ERSTEBANK.AT> on 08/12/99 03:15:28 AM
Please respond to Discussion of IBM NetView and POLYCENTER Manager on NetView
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To: NV-L@UCSBVM.UCSB.EDU
cc: (bcc: James Shanks/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: AW: Removing Objects from NetView Database
Hi Ian,
currently I've got exactly 65 of these zombies (bluesies).
Until now I've found absolutely NO WAY to get rid of them.
And, believe me, I really tried everything documented.
And, btw, ovtopofix -r (undocumented) did not help either.
Running NetView 5.1.1 / Framework 3.6 / AIX 4.2.1.0.
Any (new) hints welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Cordially, Ralph.
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> Von: Genge, Ian (GECITS at ALCOA) [SMTP:Ian.Genge@ALCOA.COM.AU]
> Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 12. August 1999 05:25
> An: NV-L@UCSBVM.ucsb.edu
> Betreff: Removing Objects from NetView Database
>
> I have been away from this mailing list for a while so please bear with
> me.
> I searched the archives and found a discussion thread that was similar to
> the problem we are experiencing, but was unable to find a resolution to
> the
> problem.
>
> At the risk of a lot of people experiencing deja-vu here goes:
>
> We are running NetView 5.1 on AIX 4.3.2.
>
> We have a large number of unwanted devices (around 200, mostly PC's) that
> are in our database because they are using addresses reserved for network
> devices. We have modifed the seedfile to exclude them and I have been
> going
> through the maps doing a visual check and deleting them (Edit -> Delete
> Object -> From All Submaps).
>
> I have also deleted all maps except for the one we are using.
>
> I ran ovmapcount -a and then ran ovtopofix -a, as per instructions. When
> I
> started the user interface again it synchronised for quite some time and
> at
> the end, all of the previously deleted objects re-appeared.
>
> Checking the output of ovtopofix showed that for each of the objects that
> re-appeared we got the message 'not in any maps, updating times'. There
> are
> a couple of objects that were successfully deleted and for them we got the
> message 'removed and not in any maps, deleting'.
>
> Can someone please advise how we can get these nodes into 'removed' status
> so we can clear them out of the database? We don't want them re-appearing
> every time we run ovtopofix.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Ian Genge
> Network Specialist
> GE Capital IT Solutions (Alcoa)
>
>
> Alcoa of Australia Ltd ACN 004 879 298
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