WAIT WAIT! (calling aquaman to put out the flames)
The question is why do you delete the nodes?
If you move a subnet (I assume the address range changes, and thus the
devices must be re-ip'd.) I don't see the need to delete the node at all. If
the address changes, the old address will go red and after 7 days delete. It
will be in a subnet you have totally removed so there should not be
confusion over whether they are supposed to be red or not. (If there is
confusion, unmanaging the segment will fix that up). If DNS has an entry for
the device you just moved, then demand poll (or the daily config poll)
should auto-magically fix up the device with the new address. So, (preparing
for more napalm) why do you delete these nodes?
Mind you - I TOTALLY agree that the CLI should have these types of features
(see my rants posts a few weeks back). I just do not understand the reason
you are deleting the nodes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tremblay, David A. [mailto:dtremblay@jhancock.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:19 PM
To: 'IBM NetView Discussion'
Subject: RE: [NV-L] "RE: command line interface" - my 2 cents
Scott,
<FLAME-THROWER ON LOW BURN>
How big is the network that you support with NetView? Ours has over 30,000
interfaces plus 1,000s of routers, switches and other network equipment
(others on this discussion group have much LARGER NETWORKS). When a MAJOR
change occurs such as when we move a few subnets in a weekend, we need to
delete 100's of nodes using the GUI not by a CLI script that could do it
much faster and more efficiently. The fact that extra time needs to by
using the GUI to delete objects is UNACCEPTABLE especially with a product
that is functionally mature. It is preferred in the IT field to automate
where possible to save time, money and effort which the current GUI
limitation does not allow that.
To tell you the truth, just the day to day maintenance of our map (and
others with more devices) could justify a CLI so that automation could be
accomplished. We already automate our discovery process which is our
seedfile is feed by our inventory database on a nightly basis. It's just
too bad that we can't AUTOMATE the deletion of objects on a nightly basis
instead of MANUALLY having to maintain the maps.
I could give other examples but the point is, we the NetView customer needs
a way to be able to AUTOMATE the map maintenance process. And with the
current method is tied directly to the GUI, we cannot do that now can we?
I hope this answers your question.
<FLAME-THROWER OUT OF FUEL>
Dave
David A. Tremblay John Hancock Financial Services
Lead Systems Analyst Corporate Technology Services
Boston, MA 02117
E-Mail: dtremblay@jhancock.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott [SMTP:Scott_Barr@csgsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:47 PM
To: IBM NetView Discussion
Subject: RE: [NV-L] "RE: command line interface" - my 2 cents
Okay, I am struggling to understand why you would need to do a CLI
delete of
an object? I almost never delete any objects from the database....
what
day-to-day type function do you folks use that requires deleting
objects
frequently or in large numbers?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jane Curry [mailto:jane.curry@skills-1st.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:38 PM
To: IBM NetView Discussion
Subject: Re: [NV-L] "RE: command line interface" - my 2 cents
Donald Mahler wrote:
> So, if I had my wish list:
>
> 1) ability to manage and unmanage interfaces from the CLI
> 2) ability to add a device and have it discovered via the CLI,
even
picking
> what map to put it on
> 3) ability to delete a device and all its interfaces via the cli
> 4) cli method of dumping and viewing topology
>
It may not be a great advance, Don, but you can use the loadhosts
command as
a
CLI to add devices into the topology / object database. I know you
don't
have
access into the map database, but it's a start.
Hear, hear!! on a CLI to delete an object from all submaps from all
maps.
I've
just been beaten up AGAIN by a NetView class who can't believe there
is no
CLI
to do this.
Cheers,
Jane
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