RE: [nv-l] Re: NetView vs. OpenView

["Eric Pobst" <epobst98@hotmail.com>]

Just wanted to thank everyone for the excellent feedback.  It more than 
answered my questions concerning the NetView vs OpenView (&NNM) dilema. For 
the most part, I believe I should have have used the subject NetView or 
OpenView (&NNM).  My primary purpose was for technical differences which I 
feel comfortable that very few differences do exist.  It ultimately was the 
intangible differences that carry the most weight in my recommendation.
1. NetView is already liscensed and paid for
2. AIX is the primary UNIX OS initiative (+++ from an SA support concern)
3. NetView is already up and running and cannot go away at this point 
(responsible for hardware monitoring of AIX systems).
4. Tivoli is used extensively for other systems monitoring (with much 
success) and future components are soon to be released.

With those in mind, the blanket statement that "NetView technically does not 
meet the networks groups requirements" does not apply.  This of course 
should/could be proven once those requirements are listed.
Thanks again everyone.

Eric

> From: "Allison, Jason (JALLISON)" <JALLISON@arinc.com>
> To: "'nv-l'" <nv-l@lists.tivoli.com>
> Subject: RE: [nv-l] Re: NetView vs. OpenView
> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:33:38 -0400
>
> Well said!
>
> Jason Allison
> Principal Engineer
> ARINC Incorporated
> Office:  (410) 266-2006
> FAX:  (410) 573-3026
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barr, Scott [mailto:Scott_Barr@csgsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:26 PM
> To: nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
> Subject: RE: [nv-l] Re: NetView vs. OpenView
>
>
> Well I will weigh in here with a different opinion.
>
> The success or failure of systems/network management has NOTHING to do with
> the product.
>
> Anyone can right a ping script that emails you when a router is down or use
> an off the shelf snmp walker program to do mib gets. NetView? OpenView?
> totally unnecessary. No shop in the world "needs" either one. Both products
> are money down a hole from an accountant's point of view.
>
> Thats why when I was asked to replace the shareware "Whats Up" with a 
> "real"
> network management platform, I took a lot of heat from people. Not because
> my choice (Netview) didn't do the job, but because Whats Up was essentially
> idiot proof and free... why change? Why spend the money?
>
> Sure, NetView and OpenView have additional features, like a GUI and
> databases and trap processing. Both products have similar features, and 
> like
> all technology, is more mature in some ares than others. Several folks have
> indicated preferences for both platforms. Both products are going to handle
> discovery and network availability at a high level of maturity. Layer 2
> stuff, GUIs, automation and the "ancillary" features are going to be dicey.
> I consider NetView best of breed, but you will have a hard time avoiding
> fixes/support issues as soon as you stray off the "mature" path. So, you 
> can
> not in my mind, pick Netview over OpenView or vice versa on the basis of
> support issues, both products have their share of "pending enhancements".
> And, as others have pointed out, HP software support may be the part most
> lacking - in my mind support is the most important thing since you pay for
> it every year. I am convinced I am going to have software issues with (fill
> in the blank: cisco IOS, Netview, Solaris, etc.) so knowing I am going to
> have ongoing software issues no matter which platform I choose, I choose to
> have software defects with the best technical support behind it. IBM
> technical support is as far as I am concerned, the best there is available
> (at least for network software, from my 20 years experience).
>
> So, with that having been said, the issue boils down to - meeting the
> target. I absolutely agree with those chiming "requirements requirements
> requirements". If you are looking at a platform consolidation, you need to
> have the requirments before you make the decision. It is those 
> requirements,
> NOT the product, but those people "perceptions" and technical "objectives"
> that MUST exist or you simply won't be successful no matter which platform
> you pick. This is a culture thing - everyone involved has to know the goal
> and choices about platform aren't going to really affect deployment if the
> objectives aren't clear in the first place.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francois Le Hir/Quebec/IBM [mailto:flehir@ca.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:46 AM
> To: nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
> Subject: [nv-l] Re: NetView vs. OpenView
>
>
> Eric,
>
> I am managing Netview here at a customer account to monitor the network
> devices: we have 250 routers, 70 core switches and 800 desktop switches and
> we are also 95% cisco... everything is working just fine. I think that one
> product or another is able to do the job. However as you said the advantage
> of Netview is that it integrate easily will all the others Tivoli tools.
>
> Regards,
>
> Francois Le Hir
> Network Projects & Consulting Services
> IBM Global Services
> Phone: (514) 205 6695
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:15:26 +0000
> To: nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
> From: "Eric Pobst" <epobst98@hotmail.com>
> Subject: NetView vs. OpenView
> Message-ID: <F82k5egl4RxkkDF0dXB0001aaec@hotmail.com>
>
> The battle continues??
>
> Does anyone have or could point me in the direction of a document that
> outlines the "NetView vs. OpenView" pro's/con's list.  Currently at this
> client site we use NetView to monitor all hardware on 100+ aix servers and
> in the beginning stages of rolling the networks into the equation.  The
> problem lying, in that the network group has been using OpenView for a few
> years now and they are somewhat convinced NetView would not meet their
> requirements (99% Cisco network devices).  So far with absolute certainty,
> I
> can only come up with 3 pts. why they should use NetView.
>
> 1. It is paid for (big one)
> 2. It is already integrated with our Tivoli/Remedy Ticketing system
> 3. They would not have to support the NetView product
>
> Off course, these seem more like "salesman" points, I would prefer to
> provide them a technical capability list.  Unfortunately I have not fully
> explored the Network monitoring capabilities of NetView and I have only
> book
> knowledge of OpenView, either way, I do not want to steer them wrong.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eric
>
>
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