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RE: [nv-l] demand poll (any NetView )

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Subject: RE: [nv-l] demand poll (any NetView )
From: "Barr, Scott" <Scott_Barr@csgsystems.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:54:36 -0600
There has been an enhancement request submitted to identify when an SNMP agent 
is down - this is in response to a situation with Sun (go figure) SEA agent.

Basically what would happen is we would do discovery in a subnet with solaris 
boxes and after discovery they would either turn red or never identify 
themselves as Sun boxes. We had the seed files entries coded with "$" so SNMP 
management was required. Well we hit the box with community strings until the 
one we wanted worked and by that time, the SEA agent had shut down - you 
guessed it - the MIBIISA sub agent. Now that the MIB II agent is down - I can't 
get the interface table or the system mib and therefore the box is SNMP managed 
- but not really.

I turned this in to support and was told an enhancement request would be 
submitted because it was "working as designed" even if the design did not 
account for the sub agents failing and there will be no event generated. Mind 
you, these boxes reply positively to SNMP queries so NVSNIFFER won't help 
anyway. They just report "end of mib" or "no mib objects contained in subtree". 

Hope that helps.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dejan Mijailovic [mailto:dejan.mijailovic@inquent.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:35 AM
> To: Leslie Clark; nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
> Subject: RE: [nv-l] demand poll (any NetView )
> 
> 
> Leslie,
> 
> I figured it out, but I had to use the third party stuff.
> NvSniffer can't do that. NvSniffer can only test the TCP 
> applications by
> using the TCP 3way handshake.
> It can't test UDP ports without using the third party program.
> I must say, I was surprised that NetView doesn't generate an 
> event after
> detecting SNMP down and I think this is one of the
> most important things for reliability of the NM System.
> If some one wants to how to do that, let me know.
> 
> 
> Dejan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leslie Clark [mailto:lclark@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:03 AM
> To: nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
> Subject: RE: [nv-l] demand poll (any NetView )
> 
> 
> 
> I've never seen one. If snmpCollect loses snmp contact with a node,
> it just writes it in snmpCol.trace and schedules a retry. 
> That's the one
> place where I've always wanted to see notification of the 
> agent failing.
> 
> If you are doing status polling via SNMP, then the node status will
> reflect the status of the snmp agent. It is probably not a good idea,
> however, to poll your entire network via SNMP.
> 
> You might look into the nvsniffer function to monitor this. See
> the man page.
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Leslie A. Clark
> IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
> Detroit
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                       "Dejan Mijailovic"
>                       <dejan.mijailovic@i        To:
> <dejan.mijailovic@inquent.com>, <nv-l@lists.tivoli.com>
>                       nquent.com>                cc:
>                                                  Subject:  
> RE: [nv-l] demand
> poll (any NetView )
>                       11/05/2002 04:32 PM
>                       Please respond to
>                       dejan.mijailovic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have also noticed that there is no trap specific number 
> "58982409" >>NO
> SNMP response<< in the trapd.conf.
> But it is supposed to be there based on trapd man page.
> This is basically, what am I asking for.
> 
> Dejan Mijailovic
> InQuent Technologies Inc.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dejan Mijailovic [mailto:dejan.mijailovic@inquent.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:11 AM
> To: nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
> Subject: [nv-l] demand poll (any NetView )
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Maybe, I am missing something here.
> 
> Does someone know what happens when Managed SNMP agent goes 
> down, assuming
> no external
> traps are received from the remote SNMP entity.
> I have noticed that demand poll or NetView
> periodic configuration polls, do not generate an event when 
> SNMP times out.
> How can we see what nodes have their SNMP agent down and when 
> did they went
> down?
> 
> Dejan Mijailovic
> InQuent Technoloigies Inc.
> 
> 
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