I see objects like that on a 5.1.1 system I'm working on now, and they are
in subnets where the segments are unmanaged in an attempt to prevent
discovery. When I manage the segment, they get their interfaces added
and their 'maps managed, maps exists' entries. If you don't have something
like that going on, I would assume database corruption. I would then
add the devices, say Yes when it says the object exists, do you want to
add another symbol (since it has no symbol), and then try again to do a
proper deletion. I avoid loadhost so I cannot help you with issues there.
I believe Netview is a network discovery package, not a network drawing
package, and I just don't trust loadhost.
Cordially,
Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
Detroit
"Les Dickert" <lesdickert@HOTMAIL.COM>@tkg.com on 12/01/2000 09:27:01 AM
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I guess I thought ovtopofix -A would remove any
objects not on a map from the objects database,
but after several ovtopofix -A runs, a ovmapcount -a
or two, and a system reboot, I still have objects
in the database that are not on any maps, eg:
OBJECT: 41111
FIELD ID FIELD NAME FIELD VALUE
10 Selection Name "205.143.34.11"
11 IP Hostname "205.143.34.11"
75 IP Status Normal(2)
78 isIPRouter FALSE
105 vendor Unset(0)
116 isNode TRUE
.
.
.
Do these just stay around forever?
Les
>From: James_Shanks@TIVOLI.COM
>Reply-To: IBM NetView Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
>To: IBM NetView Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
>Subject: RE: [NV-L] Deleting Objects
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:08:41 -0500
>
>Stephen -
>I cannot debug your problem exactly and I don't do netmon in general, but
I
>will remind you I was not talking about adding a node back by loadhosts
but
>having it discovered by netmon. Just because you delete a node does not
>prevent netmon from discovering it again, and if he thinks, for any
reason,
>that the object he discovered is different from what he finds in the
>database then he will add a new object. Without doing a lot of
>ovobjprints to compare the objects and possibly getting a netmon trace
>during discovery, I am not sure how else to pin down exactly what
happened.
>That's all I can tell you. This is not the area of the product I work on.
>
>
>James Shanks
>Team Leader, Level 3 Support
> Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
>
>
>
>Stephen Elliott <selliott@epicrealm.com> on 11/30/2000 10:17:49 AM
>
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>
>James, et al,
>
>Your reply is more than a bit confusing since I typically don't have to
run
>ovtopofix to add back deleted nodes. Our DB is built entirely via
>loadhosts.
>I routinely delete all nodes for a site and add them back right away with
a
>'loadhosts -m <mask> -v < filename' and have never had to run ovtopofix
>before doing so.
>
>Now having said that, let me explain what happened a couple days ago. I
ran
>into the same problem Les did while doing my delete/add routine. The
>objects
>were deleted from the map and could not be located via Locate, Objects, by
>Selection Name or by IP Address, which indicates they have been deleted.
>Upon running loadhosts in verbose mode, tho, no new entries displayed to
>standard output as is normal and the load finished, stating that no new
>nodes were added. An ovobjprint -s against the node's site suffix showed
>all
>of them to be in the DB. Upon restarting the NetView GUI, all the nodes
>show
>up under the New Nodes line. Redeleting them all again without reloading
>them via loadhosts again showed them still to be in the DB and they again
>show up under the New Nodes line upon restarting the GUI.
>
>This is the first time this has happened. After duplicating it on several
>more sites, I restored the DB from backup and the problem went away.
>
>Your thoughts?
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Elliott
>Sr. Network Mgmt. Engineer
>epicRealm, Inc.
>214-570-4560
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James_Shanks@tivoli.com [mailto:James_Shanks@tivoli.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:40 AM
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>Subject: Re: [NV-L] Deleting Objects
>
>
>You need to do an ovtopofix -A to actually remove the objects from the
>database after you have removed it from the map. This is so that if you
>are removing it from the map only, and do not want it rediscovered, the
old
>record will stay in the database and netmon will not add a new one, which
>you would then have to delete from the map.
>
>James Shanks
>Team Leader, Level 3 Support
> Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
>
>
>
>lesdickert@nsimail.com on 11/30/2000 08:23:11 AM
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>
>Running NetView 6.0.1 under AIX 4.3.2:
>
>I have only one map, and when I delete an
>object it doesn't get removed from the object
>database. I go to the submap with the object,
>highlight it, and do Edit->Delete Object from
>All Submaps. However, if I go to the command
>line and do ovobjprint -s <object name>, it is
>still there, but with no
>
> 14 OVW Maps Exists 1
> 15 OVW Maps Managed 1
>
>entries. From the map, if I do a Locate->Object, it
>can't find it.
>
>Problem is that I want to manually re-add the object,
>and it won't let me cause it claims the object already
>exists.
>
>Is this the way things are supposed to work or what am
>I doing wrong?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Les
>
>
>
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