Thanks, that's the world famous James
Shanks technique that comes with a
zillion disclaimers. I think it's time
for me to use it though!
Les
>From: Peter Cho <chop@tdbank.ca>
>Reply-To: IBM NetView Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
>To: IBM NetView Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
>Subject: Re: [NV-L] Deleting Objects
>Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:31:37 -0500
>
>I had the same problem. Here's a procedure that worked for me:
>
>This is only for v6.01
>
>1) stop daemons
>2) backup database
>3) ovwdbdmap -d objectID (the -d is an undocumented option)
>4) start daemons
>5) stop netmon
>6) ovtopofix -A
>7) start netmon
>8) add object to map, may remain in unknown state, give it lots of time.
>
>You can use ovwdbdmap even if you're using nvTurboDatabase.
>
>Good luck.
>
>Les Dickert wrote:
>
> > I guess I thought ovtopofix -A would remove any
> > objects not on a map from the objects database,
> > but after several ovtopofix -A runs, a ovmapcount -a
> > or two, and a system reboot, I still have objects
> > in the database that are not on any maps, eg:
> >
> > OBJECT: 41111
> >
> > FIELD ID FIELD NAME FIELD VALUE
> > 10 Selection Name "205.143.34.11"
> > 11 IP Hostname "205.143.34.11"
> > 75 IP Status Normal(2)
> > 78 isIPRouter FALSE
> > 105 vendor Unset(0)
> > 116 isNode TRUE
> > .
> > .
> > .
> >
> > Do these just stay around forever?
> >
> > Les
> >
> > >From: James_Shanks@TIVOLI.COM
> > >Reply-To: IBM NetView Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
> > >To: IBM NetView Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [NV-L] Deleting Objects
> > >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:08:41 -0500
> > >
> > >Stephen -
> > >I cannot debug your problem exactly and I don't do netmon in general,
>but I
> > >will remind you I was not talking about adding a node back by loadhosts
>but
> > >having it discovered by netmon. Just because you delete a node does not
> > >prevent netmon from discovering it again, and if he thinks, for any
>reason,
> > >that the object he discovered is different from what he finds in the
> > >database then he will add a new object. Without doing a lot of
> > >ovobjprints to compare the objects and possibly getting a netmon trace
> > >during discovery, I am not sure how else to pin down exactly what
>happened.
> > >That's all I can tell you. This is not the area of the product I work
>on.
> > >
> > >
> > >James Shanks
> > >Team Leader, Level 3 Support
> > > Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Stephen Elliott <selliott@epicrealm.com> on 11/30/2000 10:17:49 AM
> > >
> > >Please respond to IBM NetView Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
> > >
> > >To: "'IBM NetView Discussion'" <nv-l@tkg.com>
> > >cc: (bcc: James Shanks/Tivoli Systems)
> > >Subject: RE: [NV-L] Deleting Objects
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >James, et al,
> > >
> > >Your reply is more than a bit confusing since I typically don't have to
>run
> > >ovtopofix to add back deleted nodes. Our DB is built entirely via
> > >loadhosts.
> > >I routinely delete all nodes for a site and add them back right away
>with a
> > >'loadhosts -m <mask> -v < filename' and have never had to run ovtopofix
> > >before doing so.
> > >
> > >Now having said that, let me explain what happened a couple days ago. I
>ran
> > >into the same problem Les did while doing my delete/add routine. The
> > >objects
> > >were deleted from the map and could not be located via Locate, Objects,
>by
> > >Selection Name or by IP Address, which indicates they have been
>deleted.
> > >Upon running loadhosts in verbose mode, tho, no new entries displayed
>to
> > >standard output as is normal and the load finished, stating that no new
> > >nodes were added. An ovobjprint -s against the node's site suffix
>showed
> > >all
> > >of them to be in the DB. Upon restarting the NetView GUI, all the nodes
> > >show
> > >up under the New Nodes line. Redeleting them all again without
>reloading
> > >them via loadhosts again showed them still to be in the DB and they
>again
> > >show up under the New Nodes line upon restarting the GUI.
> > >
> > >This is the first time this has happened. After duplicating it on
>several
> > >more sites, I restored the DB from backup and the problem went away.
> > >
> > >Your thoughts?
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Steve Elliott
> > >Sr. Network Mgmt. Engineer
> > >epicRealm, Inc.
> > >214-570-4560
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: James_Shanks@tivoli.com [mailto:James_Shanks@tivoli.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:40 AM
> > >To: IBM NetView Discussion
> > >Subject: Re: [NV-L] Deleting Objects
> > >
> > >
> > >You need to do an ovtopofix -A to actually remove the objects from the
> > >database after you have removed it from the map. This is so that if
>you
> > >are removing it from the map only, and do not want it rediscovered, the
>old
> > >record will stay in the database and netmon will not add a new one,
>which
> > >you would then have to delete from the map.
> > >
> > >James Shanks
> > >Team Leader, Level 3 Support
> > > Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >lesdickert@nsimail.com on 11/30/2000 08:23:11 AM
> > >
> > >Please respond to IBM NetView Discussion <nv-l@tkg.com>
> > >
> > >To: NV-L@tkg.com
> > >cc: (bcc: James Shanks/Tivoli Systems)
> > >Subject: [NV-L] Deleting Objects
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Running NetView 6.0.1 under AIX 4.3.2:
> > >
> > >I have only one map, and when I delete an
> > >object it doesn't get removed from the object
> > >database. I go to the submap with the object,
> > >highlight it, and do Edit->Delete Object from
> > >All Submaps. However, if I go to the command
> > >line and do ovobjprint -s <object name>, it is
> > >still there, but with no
> > >
> > > 14 OVW Maps Exists 1
> > > 15 OVW Maps Managed 1
> > >
> > >entries. From the map, if I do a Locate->Object, it
> > >can't find it.
> > >
> > >Problem is that I want to manually re-add the object,
> > >and it won't let me cause it claims the object already
> > >exists.
> > >
> > >Is this the way things are supposed to work or what am
> > >I doing wrong?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Les
> > >
> > >
> > >
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