RE: [nv-l] NV on Linux

[Christian Frantsen <cfrantse@csc.com>]

The old hardware was SUN 280R with 1GB
RAM, 2x36GB.
The new hardware is Compaq Proliant
DL380 G3 (2.8GHz Xeon), 1GB Ram, 2x18GB.

All Compaq servers are running RedHat
Enterprise ES 2.1 ($349 for the basic edition) but I see no problem running
it on the new v3.0 (haven't tried yet though).
Compaq also supports RedHat Enterprise
with their Insight Manager agents so you can monitor all the hardware which
is nice.
Oh, and the price for the Compaq DL380
is about 1/4 of what we paid for the SUN 280R.

We are not monitoring huge numbers of
nodes like some of you but these servers are more than enough for us, if
you need more power then the DL380's are upgradable to 12GB RAM and can
house 2 CPU's (I believe the new models are shipped with 3.2GHz CPU's).



Christian Frantsen
Network Engineering Services
CSC Sweden, Jonkoping

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"Foust, Kal E" <kal.foust@eds.com>

2004-03-03 15:31

To	Christian Frantsen/SCA/CSC@CSC
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Subject	RE: [nv-l] NV on Linux

Out of curiosity, can you give
a brief description of the hardware?  
That is, what model servers are
your newer Compaq and older Sun boxes and maybe RAM / Disk values too?
I've been considering some similar
"exploration" with our present tools.
 
Thanks in advance,

Kal Foust
EDS - GM/Distributed Management Systems

 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: [nv-l] NV on Linux


Hi!

I would recommend you to buy a RedHat Enterprise license, they are quite cheap and work great with Netview.
I have 3 Netview servers running RedHat Enterprise, on Compaq servers, and they are running circles around my old SUN server :-)

The enterprise versions are shipped with "compat" packages which include older C libraries etc to be able to support applications that are certified on older version of the operating system.



Christian Frantsen
Network Engineering Services
CSC Sweden, Jonkoping

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2004-03-03 14:48

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> recorded in the Release Notes

James, I don't know where I'm missing this, but I looked in the release
notes and I couldn't find anyplace where it stated what versions are
supported.  I installed Red Hat Fedora to try out the Linux version,
but
when I run the Nvprereq script, it states that this version is not
supported.  What about Red Hat 9 (shrike) and when will Netview Linux
support Fedora (I happen to really like this release of Linux).

Background - We are currently running Netview 7.1.1 on a Sun SunBlade 1000
with 2GB of memory, dual 850MHz UltraSPARC III.  Yet we pay over $25k
a year
in Sun HW support (this includes 8 other Sun boxes used to support the
network).  If we moved to Linux, they would all be replaced with PC's
running Linux and this would eliminate our Sun support cost.  What
is your
(or anyone else's) thought on the difference in platforms.  Our database
has
about 15,000 nodes.

Thanks



-----Original Message-----
From: James Shanks [mailto:jshanks@us.ibm.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:37 AM
To: nv-l@lists.tivoli.com
Subject: Re: [nv-l] NV on Linux

There is no mystery here.

The policy towards Linux is the same as it is towards AIX, Solaris, or
Windows.

When a new release is scheduled to go out, we test on the latest levels
available.  If the code works, great, and that is recorded in the
Release
Notes as the latest supported level.  If it doesn't work, defects
are taken
and pursued until it does work.  If all that happens before the new
release
is shipped, great.  If not, then the last successful level is what
goes into
the Release Notes. Then that level is installed by IBM support 
groups worldwide.    So the supported level is always the  last
level to 
go thru formal Verification.  This is not anything new.   And
if you think 
about it, how could it be anything else? 

But there is no way to update the support level after shipment, until a
new
release of the code comes out.  We cannot announce support for a new
OS
level without a formal test and we are not allocated test resources until
a
new release is being tested prior to shipment.  Again, this not a
new
policy, nor are we deficient in any way. 

The bottom line is that 7.1.4 will be the next time you will see the
announced level of OS support changed.

You are free to use a newer level if you must.  That doesn't mean
that you
are out in the cold.  It just means that there remains the possibility
that
some issue you bring to Support might be determined to be OS-related 
and unfixable in current code.   If the Support person has no such
problem 
at his level and yet you  have it at yours, then there may be no resolution
anyone can give you until a newer release of the product ships. 
Most of the time that is not an issue, however.  But as the customer,
you
have to decide what is an acceptable level of risk.

James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT Tivoli Software
/ IBM
Software Group




"Mahesh Tailor" <MTailor@carilion.com>
06/17/2003 09:20 AM


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Linux



Hello,

I have been testing Netview 7.1.3 on RedHat 7.2 and see that all the
functionality that I need is there.  Unfortunately, RedHat 7.2 is
not
available and is not a product certified by the server hardware vendor;
the
newer versions of RedHat are.  RedHat itself is not selling or supporting
this platform.  What is worse is that IBM itself will not sell this
version
of Redhat with their xSeries systems!

So in frustration, I reloaded the machine with RedHat 7.3 [old, but reliable
and certified by hardware vendor]; changed the locale information to en_US
and then installed Netview 7.1.3.  It works fine. 
While I realize that RH7.3 is not a supported platform from NV/IBM's point,
I am wondering when support for the newer versions of RedHat is going to
come about? 

Perhaps, someone from IBM could shed some light on this issue given IBM's
push towards Linux.

Thanks.

Mahesh

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