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RE: [nv-l] Routers vs. Switches

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Subject: RE: [nv-l] Routers vs. Switches
From: "Davis, Donald" <donald.davis@firstcitizens.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:44:20 -0500
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Adding my $0.02 here too.
All that Bill said is correct. There is just one more thing to consider.
If you manually add a 2nd interface to a non-SNMP device, NetView will assume it is a router and draw a router symbol, even though it cannot determine if IP Forwarding is enabled or not.
You know what happens when you ass-u-me....... It's usually wrong.
 
Don Davis
 
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From: Evans, Bill [mailto:Bill.Evans@hq.doe.gov]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 4:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [nv-l] Routers vs. Switches

Slight clarification.  I realized on rereading my post is wasn't quite accurate.  The incoming port need not have an IP address; the IP address is usually just for the management module.  The fact it shares an incoming port is co-incidental.  In truth all the real work in the switch is done with the MAC address of the attached devices and just the management with the IP address.

 

None of that changes the definition that NetView uses identify a router, nor the fact that router and switch function can be logically co-resident.  It just makes life more interesting.   

Bill Evans
Tivoli NetView Support for DOE
903-301-0057

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Evans, Bill
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:17 PM
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"and IP Forwarding turned on" is the operant condition.  Switches don't forward between IP addresses; they forward between the incoming port which has an IP address and all the Level 2 ports which have no IP address. 

Bill Evans
Tivoli NetView Support for DOE
903-301-0057

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From: Christopher J Petrina [mailto:cjp8@meadwestvaco.com]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:00 PM
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How would NV then be able to differentiate between an actual router and a switch that happens to have a primary and secondary interface.  Since Switches generally only have one IP address (in our case two for redundancy) it will always consider these to be routers then I take it?

-Chris Petrina

 

 

"Evans, Bill" <Bill.Evans@hq.doe.gov>
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03/22/2004 02:42 PM
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Almost everything IP has a routing table including your desktop.  Issue "route print" to see it.
 
NetView considers anything which has multiple IP addresses and IP Forwarding turned on to be a router.  
 

Bill Evans
Tivoli NetView Support for DOE
903-301-0057

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[nv-l] Routers vs. Switches

 

Hello all,



Its it my understanding that a device is considered a router if it has a routing table?   What I am trying to find out is how to differentiate a switch from a router.  I use routers as gateways, however switches are not gateways.  But if NV comes across a switch which happens to have a routing table (Such as a switch with an L3 card in it) it will interpret that device as a router and place it as a gateway?


Chris Petrina


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