Possible? Nothing is impossible if you are willing to start over and re-design
code from the ground up. I didn't say it couldn't be done; I said it probably
wouldn't. The Tivoli desktop, which isn't nearly as sophisticated as the
NetView desktop, was designed differently from the get-go. The Tivoli desktop
is just a front- end for the oserv running on that box. It is the oserv on the
box with the desktop which talks to the other oserv on the server. But the
NetView client has no daemon process to do what the oserv does. It is just a
desktop and it must therefore be of the same type as the server.
So what did I say? I said I don't think they are going to re-design the NetView
client-server. Instead I think what they will do is improve the web interface
so you won't need an Xclient or a Windows client. That's the industry direction
after all, not just NetView's.
James Shanks
Tivoli (NetView for UNIX) L3 Support
Dean Grant <dgrant@AHOLDUSA.COM> on 09/28/99 05:14:37 PM
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Okay, maybe the differences between AIX and NT precludes and NT client for
Netview. But Tivoli produces a Windows client for the Tivoli desktop that
accesses AIX servers (X is supported as well). What is the fundamental
difference between the two applications, say the TEC and NetView, where it is
possible to produce a Windows client for one, and not the other? What am I
missing?
Thanks,
Dean
James Shanks <James_Shanks@TIVOLI.COM> on 09/28/99 03:02:24 PM
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I am not aware that anything is published about NetView V6. If it is, it will
be on the Tivoli website.
As for rumors, I'll leave those to other people, but I will comment on at least
some of your items:
>> In particular, I'm looking for the following kind of info:
>>- Client and Server interop. Will we finally be able to connect an NT
>>client to a UNIX server?
I doubt this will ever happen, and for the same reason that you cannot have a
Digital UNIX server or client with its counterpart on AIX or Solaris. The
underlying operating systems are far too different. The client-server setup in
NetView is simply an offload of the GUI to a different machine than the one
which runs the daemons. But all the underlying system structure and code is
the same. But as the NT GUI is not an X GUI it will not likely ever be a client
to a UNIX machine, and vice-versa.
With attended MLM however there has already been some movement toward
integrating NT and UNIX. But I would look for improvements to the web interface
rather than anything new in client-server.
>>- NT function being implemented on UNIX (e.g. Smart Sets, the Explorer,
>>Spray Pings)
SmartSets are the NT term for Collections. They already exist in UNIX. And
netmon on UNIX has a similar function to spray ping in the -J option. As for
the Explorer, all I can say is that I have heard even the developers say that
they wished they had this feature, so maybe it will be ported. The only
statement I can make is that code and function convergence between NT and UNIX
is a priority acknowledged by the development manager. What will actually make
it into the next version hasn't been formally announced yet.
>>- UNIX function being implemented on NT (e.g. MLM configuration, APM,
>>etc).
Don't know what the future holds there.
James Shanks
Tivoli (NetView for UNIX) L3 Support
Chris Cowan <chris.cowan@2ND-WAVE.COM> on 09/28/99 03:26:19 PM
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Subject: Netview Version 6
Has anything been published (e.g. Statements of Direction) concerning
the features and functionality we can expect from Netview 6.x?
In particular, I'm looking for the following kind of info:
- Client and Server interop. Will we finally be able to connect an NT
client to a UNIX server?
- NT function being implemented on UNIX (e.g. Smart Sets, the Explorer,
Spray Pings)
- UNIX function being implemented on NT (e.g. MLM configuration, APM,
etc).
Any pointers, or even rumors would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Chris
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