Re: [nv-l] NT MLM's with a UNIX central host

["Christopher J Petrina" <cjp8@meadwestvaco.com>]

Jane,

   VNC would probably dot he trick.  However in our environment the Unix Netview has no Graphics card nor monitor.  If VNC can keep the connection live that would be fine.  I think we could probably do a nohup or a ovw & (however I am wodnering that when I kill VNC if that only keeps the ovw alive and not the GUI?)

Chris Petrina

Jane Curry <jane.curry@skills-1st.co.uk> Sent by: owner-nv-l@lists.us.ibm.com 04/20/2004 01:38 PM Please respond to nv-l

To:        nv-l@lists.us.ibm.com         cc:                 Subject:        Re: [nv-l] NT MLM's with a UNIX central host

If the NetView Web client has operational issues for you, have you 
considered using VNC to attach to a real X-based  NetView GUI on your 
M-o-M NetView?  You can also tunnel this through ssh if you have 
firewall issues.  I use it a lot.  The great thing is that your VNC 
client can disconnect and the NetView GUI stays just as it was until you 
(or someone else) reconnects to it (provided the NetView GUI ovw process 
stays alive).

Cheers,
Jane

Christopher J Petrina wrote:

>
> I trawl'd through some of the archives, some discussions on MLM's have 
> been made here, however none with trully informational nor adequet 
> answers have been gievn I guess.  reading through the MLM readme on 
> the Netview Server for Windows 7.1.4 CD, I found some of the 
> limitations on the NT MLM that prevent us from using it. 
>  Particularily on the MLM not being able to correctly populate IP 
> addresses withzero's (0) in them (192.168.0.1).  This alone means that 
> we are incapable of using it.   As far as the Web Console for the GUI 
> our toruble withl the Web Console is that every time we natively need 
> to run the GUI we end up shutting down all those people attached tot 
> he web console.  The fix of having to re-open a submap everytime is 
> not sufficent for us.  
>      In the end if the MLM is to be done it will need to be done with 
> Unix-to-Unix.
>
> Thank you
> Chris Petrina
>
>
>
>
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>                  *Jane Curry <jane.curry@skills-1st.co.uk>*
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> Couldn't agree more with James's comments!  Whether you have a remote
> stand-alone NetView or an Attended MLM, there is no fundamental sharing
> of  NetView databases - the Attended MLM is basically a stand-alone
> NetView that forwards TRAPs to a manager-of -managers NetView using an
> under-the-covers MLM.  Your issue comes with usability as so many
> details are different between the Windows and Unix NetView
> implementations.  If the folk using the Attended MLM really need a GUI,
> is the Web Console from your M-o-M NetView adequate?
>
> Trawl the archives for more discussions on MLMs.
>
> Cheers,
> Jane
>
> James Shanks wrote:
>
> >
> > Attended MLM is a Window-only configuration.
> >
> > IMHO, the MLM on Windows was ported by people who did not understand
> > it's function, which is to off-load polling and data collection to a
> > remote device, so that the central box is left free to do other
> > things.  There is no good reason to have the  remote device also be a
> > NetView.  
> >
> > You can have your remote device be a Windows box if you like.
> >  Personally, I'd stay with UNIX for consistency of features and
> > operation.
> >
> > James Shanks
> > Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
> > Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group
> >
> >
> > *"Christopher J Petrina" <cjp8@meadwestvaco.com>*
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> > 04/20/2004 10:08 AM
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> > Greetings,
> >
> > Has anyone attempted to use Windows Netview as MLM's and have the
> > central Netview server be a UNIX box.  I do not see anything in
> > particular about this, I have looked over the Attended MLM section of
> > the manuals, but it seems this does not allow the same type of
> > configurationa nd communication between the central Netview box and
> > the remote site MLM's.  if I am understanding it correctly having all
> > unix would allow for each one at the remote sites to monitor its own
> > subnets and configured networks locally and should anything happen to
> > the local MLM the central server would pick up the slack and monitor
> > those segments until the MLM was returned to working status.  I do not
> > see anything about the Attended MLM's (Windows netviews) with a unix
> > central netview that would allow the same configuration.  Am I
> > mistaken?  And is it possible to do in this manner?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Chris Petrina
> >
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