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Re: [nv-l] Avaya G3 Monitoring (resolved)

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Subject: Re: [nv-l] Avaya G3 Monitoring (resolved)
From: Joe Fernandez <jfernand@kardinia.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:30:11 +1100
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Hmm.....I prefer your earlier response, James.

AFAIK, ccitt (0) and iso(1) are peer nodes just below the root, which has no number.

The folks in ISO would probably not accept a lower place in the food chain than the folks in CCITT (now ITU) , and vice versa.

I disagree with whoever "corrected " you.

MIB-II does not start 0.1.3.6.1

At 04:41 PM 05-11-04 -0500, James Shanks wrote:

This is my third response (sigh).

It was pointed out to me that my last  append on this subject was not quite technically correct.  The solution I offered, of commenting out the line
        iso             OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { 1 }

does work.  But the reason we rejected the MIB was not because iso was the root of the tree, but because it was incorrectly specified.  The actual root of the international MIB tree is "ccitt",  which has the value zero.  So to be completely correct, this MIB has to say,
        iso             OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { ccitt 1 }

and then it will load just fine.  

This just shows you the dangers of redefining everything back to the common parts of the tree.  As long as your defs are consistent with what's already loaded, then all is well.  But if you deviate from that , the MIB won't load.  Which is why it's better to start, as most vendors do, with just the parts they are responsible for.  In this case that would be this line, and everything which follows:
        avaya           OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { enterprises 6889 }

James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group



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This is my second response.


I thought at first you were asking about pre-reqs but then I started to puzzle over that error message and I couldn't see how that related, so just for grins I downloaded one of these MIBs, g3mib20_asn1, to see what it looked like.  I collect problem MIBs as a sort of hobby.  I tried to load it and got the same error you did about the parent not being defined. 

Here's what the MIB looks like at the beginning with lots of  definitions, the first


3-AVAYA-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN


   IMPORTS

       OBJECT-TYPE, DisplayString

           FROM RFC1213-MIB

       OBJECT-TYPE, NetworkAddress, IpAddress,  Counter, Gauge, TimeTicks

           FROM RFC1155-SMI;


--  The following should be defined elsewhere

   iso             OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { 1 }

   org             OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { iso 3 }

   dod             OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { org 6 }

   internet        OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { dod 1 }

   private         OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { internet 4 }

   enterprises     OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { private 1 }


   avaya           OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { enterprises 6889 }

   mibs            OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { avaya 2 }

   definity            OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { mibs 8 }

   g3-mib            OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { definity 1 }

   g3proxmib            OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { definity 2 }

  
 
  products        OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { avaya 1 }
   def-products    OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { products 8 }

   g3-products     OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { def-products 1 }



Now what the error message "
Line 0: Error defining object ": Parent" not defined." is trying to tell you is that we don't know where to start putting all these definitions.  That's because we already start at  the iso level and you cannot redefine that.  So all you have to do to get this to load (and any others like this) is to comment out the line which reads
      
iso             OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { 1 }
by putting 2 dashes in front of it, like this

- -       
iso             OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { 1 }
and it should load just fine.  It does for me.

 
In fact, everything down to the Avaya enterprise is redundant and could also be commented out.  But its re-defining the root of the MIB tree is why we gave you the error message.



James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group


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Thanks Mahesh,
                            I attempted to load all the G3 mibs and
received error  Line 0: Error defining object ": Parent" not defined.    I
assume it needs other mibs loaded prior to the G3's..  I have RFC1213-Mib
and RFC1155-SMI mibs loaded.. Thanks, Dave


                                                                                                                                    
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Try this link.

http://support.avaya.com/elmodocs2/MIB/

HTH

Mahesh

On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 15:06, reamd@Nationwide.com wrote:
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>
> Hi All,
>           We are looking to monitor Avaya G3 PBX's with netview. Does
> anyone do this? If so, can you tell me where the mibs are and/or how you
> monitor them.
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
> AIX 5.1
> 7.1.4 FixPack1
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Mahesh Tailor
WAN/TSM/NetView Administrator
Carilion Health System
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Joe Fernandez
Kardinia Software
jfernand@kardinia.com
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