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From: Jane Curry <jane.curry@skills-1st.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:16:04 +0100
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I agree with Mike about the value of User Groups and the dearth of NetView user groups. The problem seems to be that no-one currently has education or travel budget, and when they did, we were still a relatively sparse community when spread around the globe.

I believe that the Germans DO have a NetView User Group - can anyone comment on if / how that works?

Another suggestion is to run a BOF (Birds Of a Feather) session at / after a Tivoli User Group. I did this at Planet Tivoli in New Orleans but even with a week's advanced notice, we still only had half a dozen of us chewing the NetView fat.

I guess it doesn't help Mike, but we have a Tivoli User Group meeting in the UK on November 13th. If there's interest, I would be very happy to hold an informal NetView BOF afterwards ("informal" tends to be defined as "includes beer/ wine / food at a local hostelry on a self-funding basis"). If there's interest, please respond. Perhaps others TUGs could do the same. Ideally, we need more NetView content on a TUG agenda, but that means someone has to volunteer...

My 2 pennorth.....
Cheers,
Jane

Mike Walsh wrote:

Scott and James,

If I can weigh in with my own frustrations.  I am very new to Netview and
the whole Unix world  Being such, a lot of this stuff goes over my head.
What disappoints me is that there are no user groups, meetings etc. where I
could try to gain added knowledge and expertise.  Nobody I could talk to
and share information with directly.  I've been to the admin class, and
while Charlie Carter is very, very good at teaching, he only has a few days
to beat everything into our heads.

I mean the Tivoli bunch have one that meets regularly.  Why not Netview.
Guess it is because we are a poor cousin to Tivoli and so overworked and
under-maned in the business world that we could never get away regardless.

Mike Walsh
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"Barr, Scott" <Scott_Barr@csgsy To: nv-l@lists.us.ibm.com stems.com> cc: Subject: RE: [nv-l] another list 10/15/2003 01:20 PM Please respond to nv-l


Well, I will weigh in on this from a different perspective.

I think the mailing list and a newsgroup both have significant limitations.
In this day and age, more facilities should be available for a user
community than just a simple email thread. If you look around at other
software products and their support forums, you see a feature list like
this:

1. Message threads / bulletin board
2. Download area for user contributions (i.e. let me share my script /
rulesets with you)
3. Chat room for online meetings with product experts
4. Patches
5. Documentation
6. Surveys / questionnaires
7. Enhancement requests

Just to draw a parallel - I play online games. If you go look at the
support site for a user community from one of the popular MMORPGs you find
a suite of tools and features that is quite robust and usually these are
supported by fans without a lot of capital to pay for fancy features - they
just use whats easily obtained and create some DAMN good web sites to
support their "guilds". It is extremely annoying to me, that the user
community for NetView is still living in the text only 1970s bulletin board
format.

I don't really have a preference about news vs. email, I just hate the
limited feature set for support so we have to keep answering the same
questions for folks over and over (no threads so we can't have a sticky
topic with FAQs) - no download area so we can't share files / scripts, etc.


  -----Original Message-----
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  [mailto:owner-nv-l-digest@lists.us.ibm.com]On Behalf Of James Shanks
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:30 AM
  To: nv-l@lists.us.ibm.com
  Subject: RE: [nv-l] another list



  Folks,

  I sent a posting to this list a couple days ago, which I don't seem to
  be able to find any more, so I'll try again.

  I inquired about this and was told that a  Tivoli executive had ordered
  the creation of this NetView  newsgroup so that he could say that all
  Tivoli products, like all IBM products, had one.  Furthermore, the
  mention of the newsgroup in the next version of each product's Release
  Notes was also mandated.  No one in my group nor in NetView development
  even saw this boiler plate before the ID group replaced that  book on
  the CD.  It was not considered technical content and therefore was not
  given to them to review.  That's why the nv-l list was not mentioned
  there as well.   I have already escalated this and I think that will be
  rectified in the Release Notes to the first FixPack for 7.1.4.

  As for the newsgroup itself, even the people who created it say that
  they do not think of it is a replacement for the nv-l list, which they
  admit is monitored by people with much more expertise than any newsgroup
  is.

  So my advice is that, as users, you "vote with your feet" as it were and
  use the vehicle you prefer.   This list is your forum after all; it was
  started by customers for customers, and until it suddenly needed a home
  and a Tivoli guy volunteered to rescue it, it  was not maintained by IBM
  at all.  If you choose not to participate on the newsgroup, you  need
  not.  I don't plan to, myself.


  James Shanks
  Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
  Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group










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