It is a seriously bad idea for me too. 
News Server access is blocked at this bank. 
Don 
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  -----Original Message----- 
From: Paul 
  Stroud [mailto:pstroud@bellsouth.net] 
  
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:47 AM 
To: nv-l@lists.us.ibm.com 
Subject: Re: [nv-l] 
  another list 
  Jane, 
I want to stay out of this, I 
  would rather see the revolution come from 
the users. 
  Will you collect and pass this information on to Mike Hahn 
and CC me. 
Once I get the message I can 
  followup with him about it. 
  Thoughts? 
  Paul 
  On Friday 10 October 2003 07:17, you wrote: 
> Anybody else think that this is a seriously bad idea??? 
  
> 
> The nv-l list has been the 
  NetView community list since day 1 and is 
> well 
  known.  It seems like a VERY bad idea to split the community into 
  
> more than 1 group. 
> 
  
> Many organisation do not permit news through their 
  firewalls - this 
> issue has been discussed several 
  times in the past and has always been 
> the reason 
  for maintaining some sort of mail list. 
> 
  
> How would we maintain a searchable archive - search 
  facilities in Web 
> Browsers are nothing like as 
  useful as we have on either the tme10 or 
> the nv-l 
  archive.. 
> 
> 
  Comments? 
> Jane 
> 
> Oliver Bruchhaeuser wrote: 
  
> >no "nv-l"-reference in the new Release Notes 
  .-( 
> > 
> 
  >Oliver 
> > 
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  >|         
  |           Jane 
  Curry             
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  <jane.curry@skills-1st.| 
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  > 
> >Interesting that the upcoming product 
  documentation references an IBM 
> >news list 
  that has virtually no traffic.  Does the documentation also 
  
> >reference this nv-l list?? 
> > 
> >If the Release Notes are 
  written for 7.1.4, surely we are close to 
> 
  >announcement again - anyone know the latest target??? 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Jane 
> > 
> >Oliver Bruchhaeuser wrote: 
> 
  >>from the NetView 7.1.4 Release Notes: 
> 
  >> 
> >> 
> 
  >>-------------------- 
> 
  >>Participating in newsgroups 
> 
  >> 
> >>User groups provide software 
  professionals with a forum for communicating 
> 
  >>ideas, 
> >>technical expertise, and 
  experiences related to the product. They are 
> 
  >>located on the 
> >>Internet and are 
  available using standard news reader programs. These 
> >>groups are 
> >>primarily 
  intended for user-to-user communication and are not a 
> > 
> >replacement 
> > 
> >>for 
> >>formal support. 
> 
  >> 
> >>To access a newsgroup, use the 
  instructions appropriate for your browser. 
> 
  >> 
> >>Use these instructions for a 
  Microsoft® Internet Explorer browser. 
> >>1. 
  Open an Internet Explorer browser. 
> >>2. 
  From the Tools menu, click Internet Options. 
> 
  >>3. On the Internet Options window, click the Programs tab. 
  
> >>4. In the Newsgroups list, click the Down Arrow 
  and then click Outlook 
> >>Express. 
  
> >>5. Click OK. 
> 
  >>6. Close your Internet Explorer browser and then open it again. 
  
> >>7. Cut and paste the newsgroup address of a 
  product into the browser 
> >>Address 
  
> >>field, and press Enter to open the 
  newsgroup. 
> >>Use these instructions for a 
  Netscape Navigator browser. 
> >>1. Open a 
  Netscape Navigator browser. 
> >>2. From the 
  Edit menu, click Preferences. The Preferences window is 
> >>displayed. 
> >>3. In the 
  Category view, click Mail & Newsgroups to display the Mail & 
  
> >>Newsgroups settings. 
> >>4. Select the Use Netscape mail as the default mail 
  application check 
> >> box. 5. Click 
  OK. 
> >>6. Close your Netscape Navigator 
  browser and then open it again. 
> >>7. Cut 
  and paste the newsgroup address of a product into the browser 
> >>Address 
> >>field, and 
  press Enter to open the newsgroup. 
> 
  >> 
> >>IBM Tivoli NetView for UNIX and 
  IBM Tivoli NetView for Windows® 
> >> 
  
> >>news://news.software.ibm.com/ibm.software.tivoli.netview-unix-windows 
  
> >> 
> >>IBM Tivoli 
  Enterprise Console® 
> >> 
> >>news://news.software.ibm.com/ibm.software.tivoli.enterprise-console 
  
> >>-------------------- 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>Kind regards 
> >> 
  
> >>Oliver Bruchhaeuser 
> 
  >>Tivoli NetView EMEA L2 Support 
> 
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  >>|         
  |           "Pal, 
  Laszlo"          | 
  
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> >>Hi, 
  
> >> 
> >>Is there 
  any other mailing list/forum around Netview? 
> 
  >> 
> >>Thank you 
> >> 
> >>Pál, László 
  
> >>Network architect 
> 
  >> 
> >>EDS GOSD - Hungary 
  
> >>1098 Budapest 
> 
  >>Távíró utca 3-5 
> >>T:   
  +36.1.347.5544 
> >>F:   
  +36.1.347.5253 
> >>M:   
  +36.30.445.0049 
> >>E:   
  laszlo.pal@eds.com 
> >>ICQ: 948720 
  
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