| Thanks for this, James.  I shall also most most certainly be staying 
with nv-l.  I have looked at the newsgroups since Oliver first posted 
his bombshell about a week ago, and I signed up for the NetView, TEC and 
Switch Analyzer newsgroups.  The only thing that has been posted to any 
of these newsgroups in a week is a note from me on the NetView one, 
pointing folk at this nv-l mail list. 
For those people who also use other Tivoli products and the tme10 mail 
list, is someone also going to "boilerplate" the other Tivoli product 
release notes to try and circumnavigate tme10???? 
I guess the other question for the user community is whether they are 
comfortable with IBM continuing to host these mail lists, especially 
given the service disruptions over the last few months??  I would hate 
some "Tivoli executive" to order the "de-creation" of the mail lists....... 
Cheers,
Jane
James Shanks wrote:
 
Folks,
I sent a posting to this list a couple days ago, which I don't seem to 
be able to find any more, so I'll try again. 
I inquired about this and was told that a  Tivoli executive had 
ordered the creation of this NetView  newsgroup so that he could say 
that all Tivoli products, like all IBM products, had one. 
 Furthermore, the mention of the newsgroup in the next version of each 
product's Release Notes was also mandated.  No one in my group nor in 
NetView development even saw this boiler plate before the ID group 
replaced that  book on the CD.  It was not considered technical 
content and therefore was not given to them to review.  That's why the 
nv-l list was not mentioned there as well.   I have already escalated 
this and I think that will be rectified in the Release Notes to the 
first FixPack for 7.1.4.  
As for the newsgroup itself, even the people who created it say that 
they do not think of it is a replacement for the nv-l list, which they 
admit is monitored by people with much more expertise than any 
newsgroup is.  
So my advice is that, as users, you "vote with your feet" as it were 
and use the vehicle you prefer.   This list is your forum after all; 
it was started by customers for customers, and until it suddenly 
needed a home and a Tivoli guy volunteered to rescue it, it  was not 
maintained by IBM at all.  If you choose not to participate on the 
newsgroup, you  need not.  I don't plan to, myself. 
James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group
 
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