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Re: UNIX vs. NT functionality -- NetView 5.1.2 level

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Subject: Re: UNIX vs. NT functionality -- NetView 5.1.2 level
From: "Boyles, Gary P" <gary.p.boyles@INTEL.COM>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:11:38 -0700
Starting up multiple windows...
a)  In a terminal window type "tess" <cr>               (or)
b)  Goto Start >> NetView >> Event Browser

I don't believe there is a limit on the number of instances.

BTW -- One more thing I consider an "advantage" on NT...
is not being required to install the framework to get NetView
running (sorry Tivoli).

And of course James... if you're going to have an NT system on
your desk to do work you'll need the "MKS" UNIX toolkit.  I know
I've gotta have those UNIX utilities... they're a must!

Gary Boyles

-----Original Message-----
From: James Shanks [mailto:James_Shanks@TIVOLI.COM]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: UNIX vs. NT functionality -- NetView 5.1.2 level

Ok, Guys, now it is my turn to betray my deep-seated ignorance of NT and of
our product on NT.

Gary --  How do you start multiple TESS windows?  I don't see a GUI option

Chris --  What in the world is VNC?   I know what Tivoli Remote Control (RC)
but it seems to me that is a very long way around to get multiple windows on
NT workstation.  Or do you know something I don't?

And a couple of comments.

Since perl V4 is actually shipped with the current Framework, it is unlikely
that NetView will add native support for that, in my view.

I wouldn't get my hopes up for a Linux port to save a mere $700.  If memory
servers me correctly, NetView for UNIX is $15K, so that would be just a 5
cent savings.  And if they add yet another operating system as a supported
configuration, I would expect the price to go up.  Even if Linux is free,
even if the port is a piece of cake (which I doubt), there is still the cost
testing all the code and rewriting the doc and providing the machines and
resources to do the builds and so on which will have to be accounted for.
new platform causes an exponential testing requirement because of all the
permutations in deployment (e.g - can a Linux client talk to NetView Solaris
server?). So you may well see your savings eaten up by a price increase in

These latter comments are mine alone and do not represent any official
by the Tivoli/IBM  corporation.

James Shanks
Tivoli (NetView for UNIX) L3 Support

Chris Cowan <chris.cowan@2ND-WAVE.COM> on 09/13/99 01:24:08 PM

Please respond to Discussion of IBM NetView and POLYCENTER Manager on

cc:    (bcc: James Shanks/Tivoli Systems)
Subject:  Re: UNIX vs. NT functionality -- NetView 5.1.2 level

"Boyles, Gary P" wrote:
> A few additions/corrections:
>   a)  Multiple event-windows can be started (if we're talking about the

>   d)  But... I really miss X-windows, and I hope the web-interface in
>       the next release helps minimize the need for remote-access.

I find that VNC works quite nicely in this capacity for remote Win32.
I imagine you could use Tivoli RC
too (which has gotten considerably better with V 3.6.5).   But, I prefer

>   e)  I'll 2nd (or 3rd) the wish that they support Perl instead of TCL.
>   f)  You can comfortably manage 5000 nodes on NT (default polling
>       settings) on a beefy $2000 workstation/PC... I don't know what
>       the upper limits are for either though.

I still would rather have LINUX support (there's an additional $700 off
the total cost!)

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